so we're not even applying our own law. i mean, the military code of justice, section 8:13, article 13, no punishment before trial. the united nations came up with an investigation of this case. and decided that, indeed, for at least the first ten months of his jail time, that bradley imagine was being tortured. and so, to me, we're either a nation of laws or we're not. >> there was an op-ed last december that you wrote, and i want to read just part of that to our viewers. you said regardless of whether you think manning is right or wrong, innocent or guilty, hero or villain, saint or sinner, he's a human being and should be treated as such. so you've mentioned the length of time that he's been in, and the conditions that he's been in. is there anything else that concerns you most about the way that he's been treated since his arrest in 2010? and how do you know how he's been treated? >> because it's well-known. i mean, all you have to do is search the web and you can find out exactly how he's being treated. one of the thin